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update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Roelof Wobben
Hello,

Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.

1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
   But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
   security patches there are avaible.

2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
   how can I install it.

Regards,

Roelof Wobben    

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

RichardET
I do not think that Cinnamon is available with OpenBSD.
But, I could easily be wrong.....


On Sun, 22 Sep 2013, Roelof Wobben wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.
>
> 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
>   But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
>   security patches there are avaible.
>
> 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
>   how can I install it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roelof Wobben

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Nikola Gyurov
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Hi,

1a) Packages can installed/upgraded by pkg_add. 'man pkg_add for more'.
1b) http://www.openbsd.org/errata.html

2) AFAIK no.

Best regards,
Nikola Gyurov


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Roelof Wobben <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.
>
> 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
>    But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
>    security patches there are avaible.
>
> 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
>    how can I install it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roelof Wobben

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Brett Mahar-2
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On 09/22/13 22:03, Roelof Wobben wrote:
>
> 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
>     how can I install it.
>

The easiest way to find out what is available is by looking at
http://openports.se/
The x11 page shows the window managers which have been ported to openbsd.

Brett.

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Anthony J. Bentley-3
Brett Mahar writes:
> On 09/22/13 22:03, Roelof Wobben wrote:
> >
> > 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
> >     how can I install it.
> >
>
> The easiest way to find out what is available is by looking at
> http://openports.se/
> The x11 page shows the window managers which have been ported to openbsd.

Just a note... OpenPorts is a third-party service that manually parses the
ports tree to extract information, and as a result it sometimes gets stuff
wrong. See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=137063135316700&w=2

There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill
the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job.
http://ports.su/ is based on this.

--
Anthony J. Bentley

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Marc Espie-2
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
> There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill
> the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job.
> http://ports.su/ is based on this.

ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run
to have a local webserver with the same information, and query
capabilities.

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Brett Mahar-2
On 09/23/13 07:34, Marc Espie wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
>> There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill
>> the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job.
>> http://ports.su/ is based on this.
> ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run
> to have a local webserver with the same information, and query
> capabilities.

I didn't know about that site or the ports-readme-dancer package, so
thanks for the info.

Brett.

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Rod Whitworth-3
In reply to this post by Marc Espie-2
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:34:15 +0200, Marc Espie wrote:

>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
>> There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill
>> the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job.
>> http://ports.su/ is based on this.
>
>ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run
>to have a local webserver with the same information, and query
>capabilities.
>


s/readme/readmes/  ??

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Marc Espie-2
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:31:21PM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:34:15 +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
>
> >On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
> >> There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill
> >> the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job.
> >> http://ports.su/ is based on this.
> >
> >ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run
> >to have a local webserver with the same information, and query
> >capabilities.
> >
>
>
> s/readme/readmes/  ??
Yep, of course.
ports-readmes-dancer

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

James Griffin-2
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* Roelof Wobben <[hidden email]> [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +0000]:

> Hello,
>
> Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.
>
> 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
>    But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
>    security patches there are avaible.
>
> 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
>    how can I install it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roelof Wobben    

To check if packages exist: set $PKG_PATH environment variable;

then command: pkg_info -Q pkgname (where pkgname is a keyword the program will search for). Can also be run as non-root user

To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

James Griffin-2
* James Griffin <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 10:32:20 +0100]:

> * Roelof Wobben <[hidden email]> [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +0000]:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.
> >
> > 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
> >    But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
> >    security patches there are avaible.
> >
> > 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
> >    how can I install it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Roelof Wobben    

With regard to Cinnamon, you might be interested in the ede Desktop Environment. It's quite similar to Cinnamon, I believe, although i've not used it. I recall someone else on ports@ liked it a lot.

% pkg_info -Q ede
% sudo pkg_add -i ede[...]

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Marc Espie-2
In reply to this post by James Griffin-2
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.

You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
if run on a terminal now.

(-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

James Griffin-2
* Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> > To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
>
> You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
> if run on a terminal now.
>
> (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
>

Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.

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Marc Espie-2
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:

> * Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> > > To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
> >
> > You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
> > if run on a terminal now.
> >
> > (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
> >
>
> Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.

Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns.

Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely,
and so they keep using options which are no longer needed.

Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that
people keep thinking things are more complicated than
they are...

I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having
to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Dmitrij D. Czarkoff-2
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:54:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote:
> I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having
> to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)

Undeadly?

--
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Richard Toohey
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On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
>> * Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]:
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
>>>> To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
>>> You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
>>> if run on a terminal now.
>>>
>>> (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
>>>
>> Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.
> Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns.
>
> Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely,
> and so they keep using options which are no longer needed.
I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g.

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup

Is that a special case?

Thanks.
>
> Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that
> people keep thinking things are more complicated than
> they are...
>
> I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having
> to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)

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James Griffin-2
In reply to this post by Marc Espie-2
* Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:54:09 +0200]:

> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> > * Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> > > > To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
> > >
> > > You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
> > > if run on a terminal now.
> > >
> > > (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
> > >
> >
> > Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.
>
> Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns.
>
> Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely,
> and so they keep using options which are no longer needed.
>
> Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that
> people keep thinking things are more complicated than
> they are...
>
> I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having
> to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)

Was that a telling-off for me? :-)

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Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible

Amit Kulkarni-5
In reply to this post by James Griffin-2
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:50 AM, James Griffin <[hidden email]>wrote:

> * James Griffin <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 10:32:20 +0100]:
>
> > * Roelof Wobben <[hidden email]> [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +0000]:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions.
> > >
> > > 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade
> > >    But how do I know which packages can be updated or which
> > >    security patches there are avaible.
> > >
> > > 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so,
> > >    how can I install it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Roelof Wobben
>
> With regard to Cinnamon, you might be interested in the ede Desktop
> Environment. It's quite similar to Cinnamon, I believe, although i've not
> used it. I recall someone else on ports@ liked it a lot.
>
> % pkg_info -Q ede
> % sudo pkg_add -i ede[...]
>
>
I use ede daily. Fairly lightweight and simple, and so far not many crashes
that I can recall.

To the original poster:
Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME3. Antoine & Jasper already spend a lot of time
on porting GNOME3, this is just added work. Unless somebody steps up and
tries to port it, I don't think it will be available in OpenBSD.

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James Griffin-2
In reply to this post by Richard Toohey
* Richard Toohey <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 23:11:17 +1200]:

> On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote:
[ ... ]

> >Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely,
> >and so they keep using options which are no longer needed.
> I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g.
>
> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup
>
> Is that a special case?
>
> Thanks.

I just read through the man page again. It does state interactive mode is the default on a tty; -i to force interactive mode, -I to turn it off.

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Marc Espie-2
In reply to this post by Richard Toohey
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:11:17PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote:

> On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote:
> >On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> >>* Marc Espie <[hidden email]> [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote:
> >>>>To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
> >>>You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive
> >>>if run on a terminal now.
> >>>
> >>>(-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
> >>>
> >>Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.
> >Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns.
> >
> >Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely,
> >and so they keep using options which are no longer needed.
> I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g.
>
> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup
>
> Is that a special case?

No the faq hasn't been updated... :(
it was already there in OpenBSD 5.2, actually.

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