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the balance between OpenBSD and life

Teng Zhang-2
I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
OpenBSD and your life.
thanks for any reply.

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Raul Miller
On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.

I am not at all sure what you mean by "appropriately", but one trick
might be to limit posts to the lists to constructive topics?

--
Raul

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Isimsiz
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Lmao. kk, i just use snapshots and packages, no compilation, no headache.

2016-05-28 15:24 GMT+03:00 Teng Zhang <[hidden email]>:

> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen
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Hi,

On 05/28/16 14:24, Teng Zhang wrote:
> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately.
> Could you please share your experience with me about how you adjust
> your time between OpenBSD and your life.

That is a very, very odd question to ask.

In my experience, keeping an OpenBSD system (or multitudes) running
requires significantly less effort than most Unixish systems I've
encountered.

If you feel that OpenBSD is consuming too much of your time, I would
recommend checking what it is you're doing wrong. Following outdated
HOWTOs that insist that upgrades of both base system and ports
(pakcages) must be done by cvs checkout and rebuild on each individual
system, perhaps?

That's just a wild guess, or course.

On the other hand, if you're aiming to master the internals of the
system, you should expect to spend significant time studying,
experimenting, making mistakes and fixing them.

> thanks for any reply.

I'm sure replies will be more constructive if you offer up some more
information about the actual problem.

- --
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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

alan01346
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For me, I went from Linux -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD about 15 years ago and
stayed here.  I dabble in other things like Linux du jour but OpenBSD
is the reliable backbone, reads partitions of other operating systems
on multiboot machines (ok, not ext4).  I've never screwed it up so bad
I couldn't fix it.

Every operating system wants you to devote significant chunks of your
life to learning it.  Debian's really friendly until you break
something then it's so horribly complex (that's putting it nicely)
that no mere human can fix it.  Searchable documentation seems to be
the key, or Googling things.  Searchable mailing list archives.
Unless you intend to actually read every bit of documentation for each
operating system you use.  And by then it will have changed enough so
you need to start over.

--
Credit is the root of all evil.  - AB1JX

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Eduardo Meyer
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On Saturday, May 28, 2016, Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.
>
>

What are you?

If you are a user, you probably benefit from OpenBSD more than a Linux or
Windows or whatever, and your time is productively consumed with systems
and servers which won't break or suddenly stop working due to bugs,
failures, lack of documentation or, hmmm, systemd

If you are a developer well openbsd is mostly a volunteer work so I guess
you do this by pleasure. Some few people get paid to dev OpenBSD directly
or indirectly, leveraging in OpenBSD to run their business, so again, it's
probably a choice, a pleasure OR an act of contribution, so the time you
put on these depends on your other joys of life (family, sports, etc)

If you are a hobbyist, you should already be using only your spare time on
OpenBSD activities, as a user or a contributor

If you are a student, you should already be able to find how much time you
can put on a subject before your learning rate and productivity drops...

So, in the end, what are you? And what's you real problem, you think you
are putting too much or to little time on OpenBSD? What's there to adjust?


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Eduardo Meyer
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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Mihai Popescu-3
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> So, in the end, what are you? And what's you real problem, you think you
> are putting too much or to little time on OpenBSD? What's there to adjust?

Probably a heavy linux user, who spent too much time in it, then
somehow got the idea that is more cool to run UNIX, better the most
secure one of them, then he thinks crying about he spent too much time
with OpenBSD will make him forget about it, etc. (... I'm not good at
all at enumerating actions in english grammar and at english in
general ...) .

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Marko Cupać
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On Sat, 28 May 2016 20:24:00 +0800
Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could
> you please share your experience with me about how you adjust your
> time between OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.
>

Strange, when you put it that way it looks like there are two opposed
things: OpenBSD and Life. OpenBSD _is_ life, or at least part of life.
If you feel otherwise I guess you need an acid trip, or some other way
of achieving spiritual discovery ;)
--
Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
After  enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.

Marko Cupać
https://www.mimar.rs/

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Chris M-2
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On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 7:31 AM Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.
>
>
If OpenBSD is consuming so much of your time that it is interfering with
life, then maybe leave OpenBSD alone for a while and come back when life in
general isn't needing your full attention, Maybe run OpenBSD for your
server or desktop, but don't consume yourself with it - if it works, it
works - and it should work without having to constantly babysit or tweak it.

I am a musician, and if I could I would easily spend 12+ hours per day
playing, composing, recording and mixing music. But I have a job and
family, so music takes a second seat to that. There are times where I can't
even pick up an instrument for days at a time. That's life. But I always
come back to it whenever I get the chance, and sometimes I have the time to
focus heavily on music. OpenBSD should be no different for you.

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Luca Ferrari
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On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.


% emacs -nw -Q -f doctor

How can we help you if we don't know why you are "involved" in OpenBSD?
Is it a passion? Is it a job? Is it a nightmare?
How do you deal with <another_subject> and you life?

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

gsowww
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On Mon, 2016-05-30 at 13:58 +0200, Marko Cupać wrote:

> On Sat, 28 May 2016 20:24:00 +0800
> Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could
> > you please share your experience with me about how you adjust your
> > time between OpenBSD and your life.
> > thanks for any reply.
> >
>
> Strange, when you put it that way it looks like there are two opposed
> things: OpenBSD and Life. OpenBSD _is_ life, or at least part of life.
> If you feel otherwise I guess you need an acid trip, or some other way
> of achieving spiritual discovery ;)
> --
> Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
> After  enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
>


The wisdom of philosophy, with which science seems to be concurring
nowadays:


“all acts have for their basic purpose the attainment of happiness ...
All humans by nature seek happiness, or what they believe to be the best
possible life for humans ... It is not within our power to seek anything
else”
Robert Almeder on Aristotle, ‘Human Happiness and Morality’ (2000), p.
152


"The fear programme is obviously designed to get us away from things
that are likely to harm us. If we had to make an analogous claim about
the purpose of the happiness system, we would be most likely to say that
it is there to keep us moving towards things that are likely to be good
for us in some appropriate biological sense--mating, good food, pleasant
environment--and away from things that are bad for us."
Daniel Nettle, ‘Happiness: The Science Behind Your Smile’ (2005), p. 38


Taking the plunge, or diving in, it can sometimes take a few moments to
get the big picture of you life back into perspective when resurfacing.

Lorenzo S. Littles, in The Happiness Handbook (1993) has a routine that
he drills into the reader throughout the book:

[ ] THINK - “tomorrow’s happiness and contentment” (p . 28)

[ ] FOCUS - ...

[ ] VISUALISE - “today’s plans and actions [that] will create
tomorrow’s
happiness and contentment.” (p . 28), “put together a plan, step by
step” (p. 20)

(quoting from Littles also, on the topic of visualisation, “Imagination
is more important than knowledge.” Albert Einstein (p. 17))


Notes

Re. the actual Aristotle quote on happiness, 'Greek/translation'
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Greek-2004/2010/2/translation-38.htm

For an informal 'non-scientific' introduction to the science of
happiness I would suggest The Nature Of Happiness, Desmond Morris (2004)
(can usually be picked up online for a few pence from a second hand
bookshop).

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Luca Ferrari
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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Teng Zhang <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm an OpenBSD user and not an linux user. I study in university. I usually
> have too much homework need to do and sometimes have no time to play
> OpenBSD(the situation is similar to @Luca Ferrari). I just want to know how
> do you do when you don't have time to play OpenBSD.

Uhm..really, what are you searching for?
If I don't have time to play with OpenBSD I don't play. Period.
I don't believe there is anyone here able to stretch time for you so
that your day will become longer enough.
Why don't you just place OpenBSD in your life (e.g., on your laptop)
and force yourself to deal with it when you have time and need?

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Jack J. Woehr
Luca Ferrari wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Teng Zhang<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> >I'm an OpenBSD user and not an linux user. I study in university. I usually
>> >have too much homework need to do and sometimes have no time to play
>> >OpenBSD(the situation is similar to @Luca Ferrari). I just want to know how
>> >do you do when you don't have time to play OpenBSD.
Maybe a more helpful answer would be, "Yes, OpenBSD is a minority voice in the open source operating system entries.
It does require a bit more effort on the part of the user than does a masses-oriented operating system like Linux. The
tradeoff
is more transparency, simplicity, personal control and security with OpenBSD. If you need the convenience Linux offers,
then by all means, use Linux, and godspeed to you."

--
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www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe
www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Mihai Popescu-3
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$ life
ksh: life: not found

$ time life
ksh: life: not found
    0m00.00s real     0m00.00s user     0m00.00s system

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Chris Bennett
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On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 08:24:00PM +0800, Teng Zhang wrote:
> I can't adjust  the time for OpenBSD and my life appropriately. Could you
> please share your experience with me about how you adjust your time between
> OpenBSD and your life.
> thanks for any reply.
>

For my business, I wrote an article for customers on my website that
dealt with the issue of what projects they should do themselves and what
projects they should hire a contractor for.

These are the issues:
1. Are you competent to do the project?

2. Time. How long is this project going to take?
You will need to devote your free time from work to work on this
project, this includes weekends and possibly vacation time. These time
periods are meant for you to recover from work, spend time with your
family and do fun things.
This time will be lost. Will it effect your work and schooling and
happiness in a negative way?

3. The mess. Any project produces some sort of "mess". Whether it means
sawdust and trash or needing to buy books and read web pages for hours,
etc. I even advised customers on longer projects, that if they could
afford it, to temporarily go live someplace else and not suffer the
"mess".

I then advised, that if you can't handle all three above, hire a
contractor.

My advice to you. Adjust your life appropriately. You only get one life.
Don't screw it up. Be happy. Be productive.
After that, devote the time leftover to OpenBSD. OpenBSD is constantly
changing, but it isn't going to change so much that the standard set of
Unixish commands is going to change. My father uses KDE and just doesn't
want to or need to learn more than turning the computer on and off.
There are instructions for installing and upgrading already out there.

If your question about using OpenBSD is work related, then it's got
nothing to do with non-worktime, so work that out on the job. Sometimes
it's better to not to be able to try and do a workload that is
impossible for one person to do. They may need to hire more people,
which basically is the same thing as "hiring a contractor".

Anyway, have a decent life first, OpenBSD second. Hopefully both.

Chris Bennett

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Ingo Schwarze
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Hi Mihai,

Mihai Popescu wrote on Tue, May 31, 2016 at 06:57:31PM +0300:

> $ life
> ksh: life: not found

Our ports team is doing a great job.

To get a life with OpenBSD, simply type

  $ doas pkg_add life && life

Then click around a bit, hit the space bar, and relax.

Yours,
  Ingo

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Re: the balance between OpenBSD and life

Mihai Popescu-3
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> Our ports team is doing a great job.
>
> To get a life with OpenBSD, simply type
>
>  $ doas pkg_add life && life


You've got me!
So there is life, but you have to invoke the superuser!

Nice :-)