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Chris-117
I write once again for the same old things I was writing
at the opwnbsd 3.4. If you search the emails to the list are there.

Same old same old.

The pppoe dial error (userland) "cant assign requsted address" after
4 major OpenBsd releases didnt go away. Noone cared to address the situation
and of course the same old answer "diferent isps use diferent pppoe
implementations" was the easy answer to leave the question unanswered.

The 90% of home office internet conections are have to do with pppoe crapy dsl
implementetions at least here in Europe.

Despite that I have never found a single windows xp box to not work
properly with
these "crapy implementations" no matter to whatever adsl provider
someone wants to
conect to, and without the need for any extra drivers to be installed
concerning these diferrent isps.

So from the openbsd 3.4 release I have instaled Openbsd as a router
(suggested by me)
to different small offices succesfully and  despite the Openbsd pppoe
risk that these boxes will never see the Internet world.
I just hoped and trusted the community, that someone
will go and support the first thing that an os must be capable of, to
conect to the internet
using an available ISP. I hoped that someone in the community will fix
the problems so
will come one day that we can use an openbsd box to conect to the Internet
without praying or going after that to a doctor for a nervous breakdown.

So 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 3.8 and now I am afraid to tell my clients to update.
No matter what usefull things the new releases have if I can not
conect them to the Internet the only option is to call microsoft to
apply for the licencing program...

THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES FROM RELEASE TO RELEASE
IN OPENBSD PPPOE IS THE ERROR MESSAGES AFTER A SUCCESSFUL
CONECTION IS MADE.

I am so disappointed with this,  as every now and then in these years
I read posts in the list, from the newbie trying to install an openbsd
box for the first time, as users that are very familiar with openbsd
like myself, crying out "the pppoe implementation in openbsd is
broken".

An answer to all these people:
IS PPP OPENBSD IMPLEMENTATION BROKEN?

YES IT IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ IN THE LIST.
YES IT IS AND NO ONE CARES.
YES YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG IN YOUR CONFIGURATION,
THE ERRORS ARE NOT THERE FOR DEBUGGING JUST FOR SEEING THEM.

On openbsd 3.9 I can conect through pppoe(userland) to my ISP
everything works fine
but I can not download more than 250KB/s despite that my line is
capable of 2000KB/s.
In a 3.5 box same configuration same ISP I am capable of 2000KB/s. May
I must downgrade?????

I myself want to ask whats the meaning of an os secure and capable of tasks if
I can not conect to an ISP using the way that 90% of Inernet users use
in this world.

I have spend another week trying to resolve another pppoe problem,
where everything seems to work fine as always, but as always in
openbsd's  pppoe something goes wrong.

Of course if I conect my modem to a wondows xp "stupid insecure pc" or
to e "Unix based
"Powerbook" and I experince no such problems.

I called my ISP after the line was installed and complain that my line
dont work ok and now
I think I may be have to call them and tell them that I just used a
stupid os that cant do
what the most "stupid" oses can DO.

I needed to write this after 5 years of seeing the community to ignore
the needs of its users. We have donated, support it and continue to do
so. We have no right to demand things but I think we have the right to
alert the community as definitily with this matter something IS
DEFINITELY wrong.

I think that the 50% of Openbsd users use pppoe conections and I thing
that the 10%
of us use for example IPSEC. Despite that IPSEC works far better than
establishing a dsl conection and download at proper rates.
And I am sure that this mail will be ignored as the 98329389283
mails in this list that noone answer and you can find in the list
remaining for ever unanswered.

So just I am Asking kindly again after 5 years.

Will be a way to establish a dsl broadband conection from an openbsd gateway
to an ISP without errors and problems ever in the future like the 99%
of all other OSes
(even those that are not deticated to networking as OpenBsd) CAN? OR NOT?

Even if the abswer is NO I will be greatefull as many other users to know
that so we can make our ways out of this OSas there are some thing in
OS world that some of us cant live without it.

Feel free not to comment.

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Re: pppoe slow on openbsd

Bruno Carnazzi
  Hi,

I don't understand your hunger. My home adsl router is OpenBSD driven
and I have no problem using kernel pppoe for more than year (since
3.8). As I live on Reunion Island, I suppose my ISP conforms to
european standards. I can play with my 2Mbps bandwidth with no trouble
at all.

Maybe you should read man pppoe(4).

Best regards,

Bruno.

2006/10/20, Chris <[hidden email]>:

> I write once again for the same old things I was writing
> at the opwnbsd 3.4. If you search the emails to the list are there.
>
> Same old same old.
>
> The pppoe dial error (userland) "cant assign requsted address" after
> 4 major OpenBsd releases didnt go away. Noone cared to address the situation
> and of course the same old answer "diferent isps use diferent pppoe
> implementations" was the easy answer to leave the question unanswered.
>
> The 90% of home office internet conections are have to do with pppoe crapy dsl
> implementetions at least here in Europe.
>
> Despite that I have never found a single windows xp box to not work
> properly with
> these "crapy implementations" no matter to whatever adsl provider
> someone wants to
> conect to, and without the need for any extra drivers to be installed
> concerning these diferrent isps.
>
> So from the openbsd 3.4 release I have instaled Openbsd as a router
> (suggested by me)
> to different small offices succesfully and  despite the Openbsd pppoe
> risk that these boxes will never see the Internet world.
> I just hoped and trusted the community, that someone
> will go and support the first thing that an os must be capable of, to
> conect to the internet
> using an available ISP. I hoped that someone in the community will fix
> the problems so
> will come one day that we can use an openbsd box to conect to the Internet
> without praying or going after that to a doctor for a nervous breakdown.
>
> So 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 3.8 and now I am afraid to tell my clients to update.
> No matter what usefull things the new releases have if I can not
> conect them to the Internet the only option is to call microsoft to
> apply for the licencing program...
>
> THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES FROM RELEASE TO RELEASE
> IN OPENBSD PPPOE IS THE ERROR MESSAGES AFTER A SUCCESSFUL
> CONECTION IS MADE.
>
> I am so disappointed with this,  as every now and then in these years
> I read posts in the list, from the newbie trying to install an openbsd
> box for the first time, as users that are very familiar with openbsd
> like myself, crying out "the pppoe implementation in openbsd is
> broken".
>
> An answer to all these people:
> IS PPP OPENBSD IMPLEMENTATION BROKEN?
>
> YES IT IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ IN THE LIST.
> YES IT IS AND NO ONE CARES.
> YES YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG IN YOUR CONFIGURATION,
> THE ERRORS ARE NOT THERE FOR DEBUGGING JUST FOR SEEING THEM.
>
> On openbsd 3.9 I can conect through pppoe(userland) to my ISP
> everything works fine
> but I can not download more than 250KB/s despite that my line is
> capable of 2000KB/s.
> In a 3.5 box same configuration same ISP I am capable of 2000KB/s. May
> I must downgrade?????
>
> I myself want to ask whats the meaning of an os secure and capable of tasks if
> I can not conect to an ISP using the way that 90% of Inernet users use
> in this world.
>
> I have spend another week trying to resolve another pppoe problem,
> where everything seems to work fine as always, but as always in
> openbsd's  pppoe something goes wrong.
>
> Of course if I conect my modem to a wondows xp "stupid insecure pc" or
> to e "Unix based
> "Powerbook" and I experince no such problems.
>
> I called my ISP after the line was installed and complain that my line
> dont work ok and now
> I think I may be have to call them and tell them that I just used a
> stupid os that cant do
> what the most "stupid" oses can DO.
>
> I needed to write this after 5 years of seeing the community to ignore
> the needs of its users. We have donated, support it and continue to do
> so. We have no right to demand things but I think we have the right to
> alert the community as definitily with this matter something IS
> DEFINITELY wrong.
>
> I think that the 50% of Openbsd users use pppoe conections and I thing
> that the 10%
> of us use for example IPSEC. Despite that IPSEC works far better than
> establishing a dsl conection and download at proper rates.
> And I am sure that this mail will be ignored as the 98329389283
> mails in this list that noone answer and you can find in the list
> remaining for ever unanswered.
>
> So just I am Asking kindly again after 5 years.
>
> Will be a way to establish a dsl broadband conection from an openbsd gateway
> to an ISP without errors and problems ever in the future like the 99%
> of all other OSes
> (even those that are not deticated to networking as OpenBsd) CAN? OR NOT?
>
> Even if the abswer is NO I will be greatefull as many other users to know
> that so we can make our ways out of this OSas there are some thing in
> OS world that some of us cant live without it.
>
> Feel free not to comment.

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Re: pppoe slow on openbsd

Shane J Pearson
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On 20/10/2006, at 12:59 PM, Chris wrote:

> So just I am Asking kindly again after 5 years.

No you aren't.

Regardless of where the pppoe implementation is broken, have you  
considered DSL MODEM/routers with half-bridge mode? You can get them  
to take care of the PPPoE/A and then they just pass the IP traffic  
through to your OpenBSD firewall/router. The MODEMs you have now  
might already be capable of doing that for you. BTW, the MODEM does  
not perform NAT, so your firewall will still face the bare Internet.

PS, you are really rude.


Shane J Pearson
shanejp netspace net au

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Re: pppoe slow on openbsd

knitti
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first, I do understand your frustration. however, none of the
developers has the obligation to change the situation, and _maybe_
there is simply not enough manpower/access to some strange
combination of haradware and a specific dsl service. if you
followed the list in these years you surely will understand this.


On 10/20/06, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The pppoe dial error (userland) "cant assign requsted address" after
> 4 major OpenBsd releases didnt go away. Noone cared to address the situation
> and of course the same old answer "diferent isps use diferent pppoe
> implementations" was the easy answer to leave the question unanswered.
this answer is true nevertheless


> The 90% of home office internet conections are have to do with pppoe crapy dsl
> implementetions at least here in Europe.
I'm in europe too, and connected openbsd routers to a broad variety
of dsl services since OpenBSD 3.1.


> So from the openbsd 3.4 release I have instaled Openbsd as a router
> (suggested by me)
> to different small offices succesfully and  despite the Openbsd pppoe
> risk that these boxes will never see the Internet world.
which could've several reasons, _one_ of them openbsd's pppoe not
supporting this special implementation. there are cheap devices out there
capable of that, which could be plugged in front of the router. it costs
slightly more than whithout, but saves a lot of frustration compared to
not being able to connect the router to the internet.


> So 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 3.8 and now I am afraid to tell my clients to update.
> No matter what usefull things the new releases have if I can not
> conect them to the Internet the only option is to call microsoft to
> apply for the licencing program...
if you think thats your solution, off you go!


> I am so disappointed with this,  as every now and then in these years
> I read posts in the list, from the newbie trying to install an openbsd
> box for the first time, as users that are very familiar with openbsd
> like myself, crying out "the pppoe implementation in openbsd is
> broken".
why would you come to this conclusion? because you are one of the
few which have either a really crappy dsl service or are incapable
reading the man pages?


> An answer to all these people:
> IS PPP OPENBSD IMPLEMENTATION BROKEN?
>
> YES IT IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ IN THE LIST.
> YES IT IS AND NO ONE CARES.
> YES YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG IN YOUR CONFIGURATION,
> THE ERRORS ARE NOT THERE FOR DEBUGGING JUST FOR SEEING THEM.

this is downright wrong. and rude.


> On openbsd 3.9 I can conect through pppoe(userland) to my ISP
> everything works fine
> but I can not download more than 250KB/s despite that my line is
> capable of 2000KB/s.
> In a 3.5 box same configuration same ISP I am capable of 2000KB/s. May
> I must downgrade?????

so actually it works? have you worked out the differences?


> I myself want to ask whats the meaning of an os secure and capable of tasks if
> I can not conect to an ISP using the way that 90% of Inernet users use
> in this world.

does it connect or doesn't it?


> I needed to write this after 5 years of seeing the community to ignore
> the needs of its users. We have donated, support it and continue to do
> so. We have no right to demand things but I think we have the right to
> alert the community as definitily with this matter something IS
> DEFINITELY wrong.

this is the best bug report of all times.


>
> I think that the 50% of Openbsd users use pppoe conections and I thing
> that the 10%
> of us use for example IPSEC. Despite that IPSEC works far better than
> establishing a dsl conection and download at proper rates.

for me, it both pppoe and ipsec do work. a well as the other things i use:
pf, apache, sendmail, ccd and a bunch of ports


> Will be a way to establish a dsl broadband conection from an openbsd gateway
> to an ISP without errors and problems ever in the future like the 99%
> of all other OSes
> (even those that are not deticated to networking as OpenBsd) CAN? OR NOT?

your question is pointless, as openbsd does this already


--knitti

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Re: pppoe slow on openbsd

Vijay Sankar
In reply to this post by Chris-117
FWIW, OpenBSD PPPoE implementation has been more robust for me than
anything else I have used, including Windows, and I have used it since
OpenBSD version 3.0 -- userland initially and later kernel-mode.

I am not sure whether there are better ways to configure this but all I
had to do was create hostname.pppoe0 with the following lines. You may
want to read the documentation more thoroughly.

pppoedev de0
!/sbin/ifconfig de0 up
!/usr/sbin/spppcontrol \$if myauthproto=pap myauthname=username
myauthkey=secret
!/sbin/ifconfig \$if inet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffffff
!/sbin/route add default 0.0.0.1
link1 up

Hope this helps.



On Fri, 2006-20-10 at 04:59 +0200, Chris wrote:

> I write once again for the same old things I was writing
> at the opwnbsd 3.4. If you search the emails to the list are there.
>
> Same old same old.
>
> The pppoe dial error (userland) "cant assign requsted address" after
> 4 major OpenBsd releases didnt go away. Noone cared to address the situation
> and of course the same old answer "diferent isps use diferent pppoe
> implementations" was the easy answer to leave the question unanswered.
>
> The 90% of home office internet conections are have to do with pppoe crapy dsl
> implementetions at least here in Europe.
>
> Despite that I have never found a single windows xp box to not work
> properly with
> these "crapy implementations" no matter to whatever adsl provider
> someone wants to
> conect to, and without the need for any extra drivers to be installed
> concerning these diferrent isps.
>
> So from the openbsd 3.4 release I have instaled Openbsd as a router
> (suggested by me)
> to different small offices succesfully and  despite the Openbsd pppoe
> risk that these boxes will never see the Internet world.
> I just hoped and trusted the community, that someone
> will go and support the first thing that an os must be capable of, to
> conect to the internet
> using an available ISP. I hoped that someone in the community will fix
> the problems so
> will come one day that we can use an openbsd box to conect to the Internet
> without praying or going after that to a doctor for a nervous breakdown.
>
> So 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 3.8 and now I am afraid to tell my clients to update.
> No matter what usefull things the new releases have if I can not
> conect them to the Internet the only option is to call microsoft to
> apply for the licencing program...
>
> THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES FROM RELEASE TO RELEASE
> IN OPENBSD PPPOE IS THE ERROR MESSAGES AFTER A SUCCESSFUL
> CONECTION IS MADE.
>
> I am so disappointed with this,  as every now and then in these years
> I read posts in the list, from the newbie trying to install an openbsd
> box for the first time, as users that are very familiar with openbsd
> like myself, crying out "the pppoe implementation in openbsd is
> broken".
>
> An answer to all these people:
> IS PPP OPENBSD IMPLEMENTATION BROKEN?
>
> YES IT IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ IN THE LIST.
> YES IT IS AND NO ONE CARES.
> YES YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG IN YOUR CONFIGURATION,
> THE ERRORS ARE NOT THERE FOR DEBUGGING JUST FOR SEEING THEM.
>
> On openbsd 3.9 I can conect through pppoe(userland) to my ISP
> everything works fine
> but I can not download more than 250KB/s despite that my line is
> capable of 2000KB/s.
> In a 3.5 box same configuration same ISP I am capable of 2000KB/s. May
> I must downgrade?????
>
> I myself want to ask whats the meaning of an os secure and capable of tasks if
> I can not conect to an ISP using the way that 90% of Inernet users use
> in this world.
>
> I have spend another week trying to resolve another pppoe problem,
> where everything seems to work fine as always, but as always in
> openbsd's  pppoe something goes wrong.
>
> Of course if I conect my modem to a wondows xp "stupid insecure pc" or
> to e "Unix based
> "Powerbook" and I experince no such problems.
>
> I called my ISP after the line was installed and complain that my line
> dont work ok and now
> I think I may be have to call them and tell them that I just used a
> stupid os that cant do
> what the most "stupid" oses can DO.
>
> I needed to write this after 5 years of seeing the community to ignore
> the needs of its users. We have donated, support it and continue to do
> so. We have no right to demand things but I think we have the right to
> alert the community as definitily with this matter something IS
> DEFINITELY wrong.
>
> I think that the 50% of Openbsd users use pppoe conections and I thing
> that the 10%
> of us use for example IPSEC. Despite that IPSEC works far better than
> establishing a dsl conection and download at proper rates.
> And I am sure that this mail will be ignored as the 98329389283
> mails in this list that noone answer and you can find in the list
> remaining for ever unanswered.
>
> So just I am Asking kindly again after 5 years.
>
> Will be a way to establish a dsl broadband conection from an openbsd gateway
> to an ISP without errors and problems ever in the future like the 99%
> of all other OSes
> (even those that are not deticated to networking as OpenBsd) CAN? OR NOT?
>
> Even if the abswer is NO I will be greatefull as many other users to know
> that so we can make our ways out of this OSas there are some thing in
> OS world that some of us cant live without it.
>
> Feel free not to comment.
>
--
Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng.
ForeTell Technologies Limited
59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6
Phone: 204 885 9535, E-Mail: [hidden email]

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Re: pppoe slow on openbsd

Bruno Carnazzi
2006/10/20, Vijay Sankar <[hidden email]>:

> FWIW, OpenBSD PPPoE implementation has been more robust for me than
> anything else I have used, including Windows, and I have used it since
> OpenBSD version 3.0 -- userland initially and later kernel-mode.
>
> I am not sure whether there are better ways to configure this but all I
> had to do was create hostname.pppoe0 with the following lines. You may
> want to read the documentation more thoroughly.
>
> pppoedev de0
> !/sbin/ifconfig de0 up
> !/usr/sbin/spppcontrol \$if myauthproto=pap myauthname=username
> myauthkey=secret
> !/sbin/ifconfig \$if inet 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffffff
> !/sbin/route add default 0.0.0.1
> link1 up

Note that things have changed in 4.0. hostname.pppoe0 now looks like this :
!/sbin/ifconfig ne3 up
inet 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 0.0.0.1 pppoedev ne3 authproto chap \
        authname AUTH authkey PASSWORD up
!/sbin/route add default 0.0.0.1

Bruno.

>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2006-20-10 at 04:59 +0200, Chris wrote:
> > I write once again for the same old things I was writing
> > at the opwnbsd 3.4. If you search the emails to the list are there.
> >
> > Same old same old.
> >
> > The pppoe dial error (userland) "cant assign requsted address" after
> > 4 major OpenBsd releases didnt go away. Noone cared to address the situation
> > and of course the same old answer "diferent isps use diferent pppoe
> > implementations" was the easy answer to leave the question unanswered.
> >
> > The 90% of home office internet conections are have to do with pppoe crapy dsl
> > implementetions at least here in Europe.
> >
> > Despite that I have never found a single windows xp box to not work
> > properly with
> > these "crapy implementations" no matter to whatever adsl provider
> > someone wants to
> > conect to, and without the need for any extra drivers to be installed
> > concerning these diferrent isps.
> >
> > So from the openbsd 3.4 release I have instaled Openbsd as a router
> > (suggested by me)
> > to different small offices succesfully and  despite the Openbsd pppoe
> > risk that these boxes will never see the Internet world.
> > I just hoped and trusted the community, that someone
> > will go and support the first thing that an os must be capable of, to
> > conect to the internet
> > using an available ISP. I hoped that someone in the community will fix
> > the problems so
> > will come one day that we can use an openbsd box to conect to the Internet
> > without praying or going after that to a doctor for a nervous breakdown.
> >
> > So 3.5 -> 3.6 -> 3.7 -> 3.8 and now I am afraid to tell my clients to update.
> > No matter what usefull things the new releases have if I can not
> > conect them to the Internet the only option is to call microsoft to
> > apply for the licencing program...
> >
> > THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES FROM RELEASE TO RELEASE
> > IN OPENBSD PPPOE IS THE ERROR MESSAGES AFTER A SUCCESSFUL
> > CONECTION IS MADE.
> >
> > I am so disappointed with this,  as every now and then in these years
> > I read posts in the list, from the newbie trying to install an openbsd
> > box for the first time, as users that are very familiar with openbsd
> > like myself, crying out "the pppoe implementation in openbsd is
> > broken".
> >
> > An answer to all these people:
> > IS PPP OPENBSD IMPLEMENTATION BROKEN?
> >
> > YES IT IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU READ IN THE LIST.
> > YES IT IS AND NO ONE CARES.
> > YES YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG IN YOUR CONFIGURATION,
> > THE ERRORS ARE NOT THERE FOR DEBUGGING JUST FOR SEEING THEM.
> >
> > On openbsd 3.9 I can conect through pppoe(userland) to my ISP
> > everything works fine
> > but I can not download more than 250KB/s despite that my line is
> > capable of 2000KB/s.
> > In a 3.5 box same configuration same ISP I am capable of 2000KB/s. May
> > I must downgrade?????
> >
> > I myself want to ask whats the meaning of an os secure and capable of tasks if
> > I can not conect to an ISP using the way that 90% of Inernet users use
> > in this world.
> >
> > I have spend another week trying to resolve another pppoe problem,
> > where everything seems to work fine as always, but as always in
> > openbsd's  pppoe something goes wrong.
> >
> > Of course if I conect my modem to a wondows xp "stupid insecure pc" or
> > to e "Unix based
> > "Powerbook" and I experince no such problems.
> >
> > I called my ISP after the line was installed and complain that my line
> > dont work ok and now
> > I think I may be have to call them and tell them that I just used a
> > stupid os that cant do
> > what the most "stupid" oses can DO.
> >
> > I needed to write this after 5 years of seeing the community to ignore
> > the needs of its users. We have donated, support it and continue to do
> > so. We have no right to demand things but I think we have the right to
> > alert the community as definitily with this matter something IS
> > DEFINITELY wrong.
> >
> > I think that the 50% of Openbsd users use pppoe conections and I thing
> > that the 10%
> > of us use for example IPSEC. Despite that IPSEC works far better than
> > establishing a dsl conection and download at proper rates.
> > And I am sure that this mail will be ignored as the 98329389283
> > mails in this list that noone answer and you can find in the list
> > remaining for ever unanswered.
> >
> > So just I am Asking kindly again after 5 years.
> >
> > Will be a way to establish a dsl broadband conection from an openbsd gateway
> > to an ISP without errors and problems ever in the future like the 99%
> > of all other OSes
> > (even those that are not deticated to networking as OpenBsd) CAN? OR NOT?
> >
> > Even if the abswer is NO I will be greatefull as many other users to know
> > that so we can make our ways out of this OSas there are some thing in
> > OS world that some of us cant live without it.
> >
> > Feel free not to comment.
> >
> --
> Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng.
> ForeTell Technologies Limited
> 59 Flamingo Avenue, Winnipeg, MB, Canada R3J 0X6
> Phone: 204 885 9535, E-Mail: [hidden email]