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micro atx motherboard recommendations?

bofh-6
Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.

Thanx in advance.

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Todd Alan Smith-3
On 3/25/07, bofh <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
> fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
> motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.
>
> Thanx in advance.

I recently built two Windows machines for a client
using the BIOSTAR TForce 6100:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027

I've been quite happy with the machines thus far.
However, beware that the chipsets are all NVIDIA.

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

bofh-6
On 3/26/07, Todd Alan Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138027
>
> I've been quite happy with the machines thus far.
> However, beware that the chipsets are all NVIDIA.

Thanx!

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

John Danks
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On 3/25/07, bofh <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
> fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
> motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.

I just put together a server with this cheap $70 PCChips V21G board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813185094

The specs don't mention it, but it uses the 1.5 GHz VIA Esther CPU. It
seems to work well enough so far. The only problem I had is that it
didn't want to boot off of a CF->IDE adapter. Also, the onboard
network is only 10/100 so you'll have to give up one of the two PCI
slots for gigabit.

Here's a dmesg:

OpenBSD 4.1 (GENERIC) #1435: Sat Mar 10 19:07:45 MST 2007
    [hidden email]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: VIA Esther processor 1500MHz ("CentaurHauls" 686-class) 1.50 GHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,SBF,SSE3
cpu0: RNG AES AES-CTR SHA1 SHA256 RSA
real mem  = 468217856 (457244K)
avail mem = 419348480 (409520K)
using 4278 buffers containing 23535616 bytes (22984K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 05/29/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @
0xf9ee0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0000 (33 entries)
bios0: PCCHIPS V21G
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown
apm0: flags 70102 dobusy 1 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf0000/0xd1a4
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfd110/144 (7 entries)
pcibios0: bad IRQ table checksum
pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 7 Interrupt Routing table entries
pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 10 11
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:17:0 ("VIA VT8237 ISA" rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xfe00 0xd0000/0x8000! 0xd8000/0x4800
acpi at mainbus0 not configured
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA CN700 Host" rev 0x00
pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 "VIA CN700 Host" rev 0x00
pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 "VIA CN700 Host" rev 0x00
pchb3 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 "VIA PT890 Host" rev 0x00
pchb4 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 "VIA CN700 Host" rev 0x00
pchb5 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 "VIA CN700 Host" rev 0x00
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8377 AGP" rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "VIA S3 Unichrome PRO IGP" rev 0x01:
aperture at 0xf4000000, size 0x10000000
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
skc0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 "Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010" rev
0x12, Yukon (0x1): irq 10
sk0 at skc0 port A, address 00:04:e2:ec:ba:0d
eephy0 at sk0 phy 0: Marvell 88E1011 Gigabit PHY, rev. 3
pciide0 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 "CMD Technology SiI3114 SATA" rev 0x02: DMA
pciide0: using irq 11 for native-PCI interrupt
pciide0: port 0: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <ST3250823AS>
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6
pciide0: port 1: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd1 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0: <ST3250823AS>
wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd1(pciide0:1:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6
pciide0: port 2: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd2 at pciide0 channel 2 drive 0: <ST3250620AS>
wd2: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd2(pciide0:2:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6
pciide0: port 3: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s
wd3 at pciide0 channel 3 drive 0: <ST3250823AS>
wd3: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd3(pciide0:3:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 6
pciide1 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 "VIA VT6420 SATA" rev 0x80: DMA
pciide1: using irq 11 for native-PCI interrupt
wd4 at pciide1 channel 0 drive 0: <ST3250823AS>
wd4: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd4(pciide1:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5
wd5 at pciide1 channel 1 drive 0: <ST3250823AS>
wd5: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors
wd5(pciide1:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5
pciide2 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA133,
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to
compatibility
wd6 at pciide2 channel 0 drive 0: <WDC WD800JB-00CRA1>
wd6: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 76319MB, 156301488 sectors
wd6(pciide2:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5
pciide2: channel 1 disabled (no drives)
uhci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x81: irq 10
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x81: irq 10
usb1 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x81: irq 11
usb2 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2
uhub2: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci3 at pci0 dev 16 function 3 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x81: irq 11
usb3 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3
uhub3: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ehci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 4 "VIA VT6202 USB" rev 0x86: irq 5
usb4 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub4 at usb4
uhub4: VIA EHCI root hub, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
viapm0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "VIA VT8237 ISA" rev 0x00
iic0 at viapm0
auvia0 at pci0 dev 17 function 5 "VIA VT8233 AC97" rev 0x60: irq 5
ac97: codec id 0x414c4760 (Avance Logic ALC655 rev 0)
audio0 at auvia0
vr0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "VIA RhineII-2" rev 0x78: irq 10,
address 00:16:ec:e5:f3:18
ukphy0 at vr0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 10: OUI
0x004063, model 0x0032
isa0 at mainbus0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
spkr0 at pcppi0
lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
it0 at isa0 port 0x290/8: IT87
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
biomask ff6d netmask ff6d ttymask ffef
pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x83
dkcsum: wd1 matches BIOS drive 0x84
dkcsum: wd2 matches BIOS drive 0x85
dkcsum: wd3 matches BIOS drive 0x86
dkcsum: wd4 matches BIOS drive 0x81
dkcsum: wd5 matches BIOS drive 0x82
dkcsum: wd6 matches BIOS drive 0x80
root on wd6a
rootdev=0x60 rrootdev=0x360 rawdev=0x362

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Nico Meijer
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Hi,

> Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
> fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
> motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.

You might also look into the Jetway J7F4 series mini-itx boards. Dual
onboard re nics.

HTH... Nico

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Peter Blokland-2
hi,

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:02:56AM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
 
> > Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
> > fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
> > motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.
 
> You might also look into the Jetway J7F4 series mini-itx boards. Dual
> onboard re nics.

i got me one of those. works like a charm. i'm still having a weird issue
with the nics not properly initializing somehow after a powerdown though.
maybe it needs a bios-upgrade, but as i don't usually powerdown (reboot is
ok) i haven't really investigated it.

--
CUL8R, Peter.

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Nico Meijer
Hi Peter,

> i got me one of those. works like a charm.

And it's quiet! :-) My Travla C147 with 2 of those babies makes way less
noise than my not-too-noisy workstation.

> i'm still having a weird
> issue with the nics not properly initializing somehow after a powerdown
> though. maybe it needs a bios-upgrade, but as i don't usually powerdown
> (reboot is ok) i haven't really investigated it.

I've had that issue, but have hardcoded the media options in hostname.re
and my problems have disappeared. See hostname.if(5).

I'm interested to see if that helps you aswell... Nico

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Matt Rowley
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> Just looking for a recommendation on a good/cheap (but not necessarily
> fast) microatx motherboard.  Or possibly, one of those via
> motherboards, but needs to fit in an atx case.

I _think_ the mini-itx form factor of the VIA EPIA motherboards will fit
in ATX cases, but I've never tried it.

That said, I've had good luck running OpenBSD on the two EPIA systems I
have, the ML6000EA (fanless 600mhz) and the PD10000 (1ghz, dual vr-based
NICs).

Dmesgs if yer interested:

<http://www.damnskippy.org/openbsd/dmesg.ml6000ea>
<http://www.damnskippy.org/openbsd/dmesg.pd1000>

cheers,
Matt

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[OT] Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Nico Meijer
Hey Matt,

> I _think_ the mini-itx form factor of the VIA EPIA motherboards will
> fit in ATX cases, but I've never tried it.

They fit perfectly.

Bye... Nico

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Peter Blokland-2
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hi,

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:21:42AM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
 
> I've had that issue, but have hardcoded the media options in hostname.re
> and my problems have disappeared. See hostname.if(5).
> I'm interested to see if that helps you aswell... Nico

i'm gonna try this tonight and make sur to report back.
thanks for the tip !

--
CUL8R, Peter.

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Re: micro atx motherboard recommendations?

Peter Blokland-2
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hi,

On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:21:42AM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote:
 
> > i'm still having a weird
> > issue with the nics not properly initializing somehow after a powerdown
> > though. maybe it needs a bios-upgrade, but as i don't usually powerdown
> > (reboot is ok) i haven't really investigated it.
 
> I've had that issue, but have hardcoded the media options in hostname.re
> and my problems have disappeared. See hostname.if(5).

i tried, but it didn't help. i've fscked my disk enough for now...
when the symptoms occur, it hangs on 'Starting network', and nothing
happens. no link-lights on the nics, no way to interact with the machine
but the reset-switch.

one of the three times i tried, re0 came up, but it hung on re1, same
thing. weird. i also noticed that the link-lights are on during POST,
and go off when the kernel inits the nics. then they just never come
on again. the same thing happens with a 'normal' boot (one that does
succeed), with the important difference that the link-lights come on
when 'Starting network' is displayed...

to be complete :

/etc/hostname.re0 :

dhcp NONE NONE NONE media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex

/etc/hostname.re1 :

inet 192.168.1.3 255.255.255.0 NONE media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex

--
CUL8R, Peter.