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Where are palm port snapshots?

Dmitrij D. Czarkoff-2
Hello!

The page "http://www.openbsd.org/palm.html" states that the palm port
snapshots could be retrieved from this location:

        "ftp://ftp.OpenBSD.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/palm/"

When I actually try to reach it I get the folowing:

 % ftp ftp://ftp.OpenBSD.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/palm/ | grep -v 230
 Connected to openbsd.sunsite.ualberta.ca.
 220 openbsd.srv.ualberta.ca FTP server ready.
 331 Guest login ok, send your email address as password.
 Remote system type is UNIX.
 Using binary mode to transfer files.
 200 Type set to I.
 550 pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/palm: No such file or directory.
 221 Goodbye.

As far as I understand, there is no such directory on a server. Therefor my
question is: where can I retrieve the palm snapshot?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Floor Terra
Hi,

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
> As far as I understand, there is no such directory on a server. Therefor my
> question is: where can I retrieve the palm snapshot?

I believe palm support is not yet ready. If you are really persistent
you could try the source.
I also have a T|X laying around waiting for me to try OpenBSD on it.

>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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> Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
>
>



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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Dmitrij D. Czarkoff-2
Floor Terra <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I believe palm support is not yet ready. If you are really persistent
> you could try the source.

As I understood, there are boot images (the photos on a palm page show several
devices booted into installer). At the same time, it was stated that palm port
isn't in mainline yet, and there are applicable patches that are placed
somewhere separatly. Therefor the source won't be enough.

At the same time, to run OpenBSD on palm I need not only a ramdisk, but a
bootloader too. As far as I know, there is a couple of bootloaders that are
capable of booting linux, but neither states an ability to boot OpenBSD, and I
am not quite sure that linux and OpenBSD are fully interchangable in this
respect.

Anyway, as the page states that port snapshots lay on FTP, some action should
be taken - either snapshots should hit the FTP or links should be removed from
"http://www.openbsd.org/palm.html".

Those were the reasons why I've disturbed this list mambers.

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Floor Terra
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Anyway, as the page states that port snapshots lay on FTP, some action should
> be taken - either snapshots should hit the FTP or links should be removed from
> "http://www.openbsd.org/palm.html".

I would rather have working palm support, but try this diff in the meantime:

Index: palm.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/www/palm.html,v
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -r1.4 palm.html
--- palm.html   16 Oct 2009 00:36:06 -0000      1.4
+++ palm.html   16 Jul 2010 21:55:41 -0000
@@ -48,7 +48,7 @@

  <li><a href="#hardware">Supported hardware</a><br>
 </td><td valign="top" width="20%">
-  <li><a href="#install">Getting and installing</a><br>
+<!--  <li><a href="#install">Getting and installing</a><br> -->
  <li><a href="#projects">Projects & bugs left to fix</a><br>
 </td></tr></table>
 <br clear=all>
@@ -121,12 +121,12 @@
 <li>Most USB devices, see <a
href="http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=usb&amp;sektion=4">usb(4)</a>
for a list.
 </ul>

+<!--
 <a name="install"></a>
 <h3><font color="#0000e0">
 <strong>Getting and installing</strong>
 </font></h3>

-<!--
 <p>
 The latest supported OpenBSD/palm release is
 <a href="47.html">OpenBSD 4.7</a>.
@@ -136,7 +136,7 @@
 </a>.
 -->

-
+<!--
 <p>
 Snapshots will be made available from time to time, in

@@ -149,7 +149,7 @@
 <a href="ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/palm/INSTALL.palm">
 OpenBSD/palm snapshot installation instructions
 </a> as well.
-
+-->
 <a name="projects"></a>
 <h3><font color="#0000e0"><strong>Projects & bugs left to
fix</strong></font></h3>

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Marek Vasut
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Dne PC! 16. D
ervence 2010 23:19:44 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff napsal(a):
> Floor Terra <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I believe palm support is not yet ready. If you are really persistent
> > you could try the source.
>
> As I understood, there are boot images (the photos on a palm page show
> several devices booted into installer). At the same time, it was stated
> that palm port isn't in mainline yet, and there are applicable patches
> that are placed somewhere separatly. Therefor the source won't be enough.

I now have a kernel tree that compiles, I can roll out the patches (hang on).
They won't likely make it mainline (ask Theo why).
>
> At the same time, to run OpenBSD on palm I need not only a ramdisk, but a
> bootloader too. As far as I know, there is a couple of bootloaders that are
> capable of booting linux, but neither states an ability to boot OpenBSD,
> and I am not quite sure that linux and OpenBSD are fully interchangable in
> this respect.

Actually cocoboot now boots both, but it's GPL so it can't be in the tree (and
you need patched gcc2, binutils and who knows what else to compile palmos apps
... also you need palmos sdk, which can't be downloaded from palm.com anymore
and has some really funny license too). And it can't be relicenced. Also, it'd
be very hard to replace palmos because of MSystems diskonchip thing there.

http://marex.hackndev.com/cocoboot.prc should work.
>
> Anyway, as the page states that port snapshots lay on FTP, some action
> should be taken - either snapshots should hit the FTP or links should be
> removed from "http://www.openbsd.org/palm.html".
>
> Those were the reasons why I've disturbed this list mambers.

I'm compiling onboard already ... it takes time though.
>
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> Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Floor Terra
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Marek Vasut <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dne PC! 16. D
ervence 2010 23:19:44 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff napsal(a):

>> Floor Terra <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > I believe palm support is not yet ready. If you are really persistent
>> > you could try the source.
>>
>> As I understood, there are boot images (the photos on a palm page show
>> several devices booted into installer). At the same time, it was stated
>> that palm port isn't in mainline yet, and there are applicable patches
>> that are placed somewhere separatly. Therefor the source won't be enough.
>
> I now have a kernel tree that compiles, I can roll out the patches (hang
on).

Wow! These are much better than my diff!
I'll try to find the time to put it on my T|X this summer.

> They won't likely make it mainline (ask Theo why).

If it's about the fact that you need obsolete Palm software to
install, it's too bad but I understand.

Thanks!

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Dmitrij D. Czarkoff-2
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Marek Vasut <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I now have a kernel tree that compiles, I can roll out the patches (hang on).
> They won't likely make it mainline (ask Theo why).

Sorry for a n00b question, but how can I make a palm release on my i386 box.
What do I need to have for it?

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Marek Vasut
Dne Ct 20. D
ervence 2010 20:28:10 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff napsal(a):
> Marek Vasut <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I now have a kernel tree that compiles, I can roll out the patches (hang
> > on). They won't likely make it mainline (ask Theo why).
>
> Sorry for a n00b question, but how can I make a palm release on my i386
> box. What do I need to have for it?
>
You can use the zaurus sets to install it, than run "make build" on it.

cheers
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> Dmitrij D. Czarkoff

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Dmitrij D. Czarkoff-2
Marek Vasut <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You can use the zaurus sets to install it, than run "make build" on it.

You mean I can just feed cocoboot with bsd.rd and perform a network
installation of zaurus?

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Re: Where are palm port snapshots?

Marek Vasut
Dne St 21. D
ervence 2010 08:33:44 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff napsal(a):
> Marek Vasut <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > You can use the zaurus sets to install it, than run "make build" on it.
>
> You mean I can just feed cocoboot with bsd.rd and perform a network
> installation of zaurus?

Yea, but you'll probably need a powered usb hub and an a-a usb part. You know
... so you can connect the master port of the hub with the palm usb cable.

That way you'll also get usb ports off the palm and you can connect a
keyboard.

The actual way to do it is to connect it this way, then hit the reset button.
Don't let the palmos suspend the device and boot. it should work
>
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> Dmitrij D. Czarkoff