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Small patch for faq4.html

Karel Kulhavy
A small patch to make sure the reader understands the faq4.html is also the
place to read when upgrading. Hope it doesn't degrade the manual in other
respects.

CL<

--- faq4.html Tue Nov 21 10:04:05 2006
+++ faq4p.html Tue Nov 21 10:07:26 2006
@@ -32,7 +32,8 @@
 <p>
 <h3>Table of Contents</h3>
 <ul>
-<li><a href= "#Overview"    >4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation
+<li><a href= "#Overview"    >4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation /
+upgrade
                                      procedure</a>
 <li><a href= "#Checklist"   >4.2 - Pre-installation checklist</a>
 
@@ -44,7 +45,7 @@
     <li><a href="#MkCD-ROM" >4.3.3 - Creating a boot CD</a>
     </ul>
 <li><a href="#Boot"         >4.4 - Booting OpenBSD install media</a>
-<li><a href="#Install"      >4.5 - Performing an install</a>
+<li><a href="#Install"      >4.5 - Performing an install / upgrade</a>
   <ul>
   <li><a href="#Start"      >4.5.1 - Starting the install</a>
   <li><a href="#Disks"      >4.5.2 - Setting up disks</a>
@@ -84,11 +85,11 @@
 
 <p>
 <a name= "Overview"></a>
-<h2>4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation procedure</h2>
+<h2>4.1 - Overview of the OpenBSD installation / upgrade procedure</h2>
 
 <p>
 OpenBSD has a robust and adaptable text-based installation procedure,
-and can be installed from a single floppy disk.
+and can be installed or upgraded from a single floppy disk.
 Most platforms follow a similar installation procedure;
 however there are some differences in the details.
 In all cases, you are urged to read the platform-specific INSTALL
@@ -535,7 +536,7 @@
 
 
 <a name="Install"></a>
-<h2>4.5 - Performing an install</h2>
+<h2>4.5 - Performing an install / upgrade</h2>
 <a name="Start"></a>
 <h3>4.5.1 - Starting the install</h3>
 <!-- XXXrelease -->

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Re: Small patch for faq4.html

Karel Kulhavy
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 02:10:00PM -0600, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:10:28AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> > A small patch to make sure the reader understands the faq4.html is also the
> > place to read when upgrading.
>
> Do you really think after comparing the OpenBSD developers to the
> RIAA, that any of them haven't kill filed you?

That was meant as a joke.

I have already ordered 3 OBSD t-shirts and 2 hoodies. But why should I give
money to someone with whom I can't communicate anymore?

I have ordered, because perceived OpenBSD as cool at that time. Now I don't see
OpenBSD as cool anymore. The motivation for buying more is away. I see the
developers find details of the form I use and then perceive it as a personal
attack and terminate the communication permanently. I would expect them to
discuss the content instead, using arguments supporting their opinion.

It has been scientifically shown that an attempt to interpret emotions from an
e-mail results in a completely random result.

I am considering switching back to Gentoo on next major problem because the
illusion of friendliness holding me to OpenBSD is away.

CL<

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Re: Small patch for faq4.html

Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Karel Kulhavy wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 02:10:00PM -0600, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:10:28AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
> > > A small patch to make sure the reader understands the faq4.html is also the
> > > place to read when upgrading.
> >
> > Do you really think after comparing the OpenBSD developers to the
> > RIAA, that any of them haven't kill filed you?
>
> That was meant as a joke.
>
> I have already ordered 3 OBSD t-shirts and 2 hoodies. But why should I give
> money to someone with whom I can't communicate anymore?
>
> I have ordered, because perceived OpenBSD as cool at that time. Now I don't see
> OpenBSD as cool anymore. The motivation for buying more is away. I see the
> developers find details of the form I use and then perceive it as a personal
> attack and terminate the communication permanently. I would expect them to
> discuss the content instead, using arguments supporting their opinion.

I (and presuambly most other developers) do not like wasting time
having endless discussions. This is summarized as "shut up and hack".
I also love the phrase "code talks". If you propose changes to the
website or code, send diffs and we'll see if we like them.

> It has been scientifically shown that an attempt to interpret emotions from an
> e-mail results in a completely random result.
>
> I am considering switching back to Gentoo on next major problem because the
> illusion of friendliness holding me to OpenBSD is away.

I don't remember a developer being unfriendly to you, while
considering the tone of your emails there probably was reason to be.
But if friendliness is a required feature of your OS and/or OS
developers, then indeed OpenBSD might not be for you.

        -Otto

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Re: Small patch for faq4.html

Shane J Pearson
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On 22/11/2006, at 10:27 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote:

> I have ordered, because perceived OpenBSD as cool at that time. Now  
> I don't see
> OpenBSD as cool anymore. The motivation for buying more is away.

> I am considering switching back to Gentoo on next major problem  
> because the
> illusion of friendliness holding me to OpenBSD is away.

Cya.

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Re: Small patch for faq4.html

Nolan-9
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Karel Kulhavy a icrit :

> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 02:10:00PM -0600, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote:
>  
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:10:28AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote:
>>    
>>> A small patch to make sure the reader understands the faq4.html is also the
>>> place to read when upgrading.
>>>      
>> Do you really think after comparing the OpenBSD developers to the
>> RIAA, that any of them haven't kill filed you?
>>    
>
> That was meant as a joke.
>
> I have already ordered 3 OBSD t-shirts and 2 hoodies. But why should I give
> money to someone with whom I can't communicate anymore?
>
> I have ordered, because perceived OpenBSD as cool at that time. Now I don't see
> OpenBSD as cool anymore. The motivation for buying more is away. I see the
> developers find details of the form I use and then perceive it as a personal
> attack and terminate the communication permanently. I would expect them to
> discuss the content instead, using arguments supporting their opinion.
>
> It has been scientifically shown that an attempt to interpret emotions from an
> e-mail results in a completely random result.
>
> I am considering switching back to Gentoo on next major problem because the
> illusion of friendliness holding me to OpenBSD is away.
>
> CL<
>
>  
Hi Karel,

I read carefully all your emails, and all the answers to your email.
There was no unfriendliness inside. Everyone read and answer you, in a
good way (which is better than being ignored). There is something to do,
when you try to enter a community, first is to read and listen, then
understand how it is working. OpenBSD community seems to be unfriendly
at first sight, but if you read carefully everything, they are the
opposite of unfriendly. They work together, like a big family, answering
quickly as they can do to request, and they make a very good job. I
don't event know how they can do this job which seems to be so difficult
for me, but may be, one day, i will be able to answer myself to some
technical discussion.

So before you go to Gentoo, juste take time to read an article written
by Mr Nick Holland (i am quoting you  again Nick ;) ):

http://www.holland-consulting.net/tech/ocep/index.html#svcactive

It's a very old article, but i think there is many important things
inside that are always available.
Read carefully the OpenBSD philosophy part, Nick is not the Philosophier
of the project, but he is right on a lot of thing.

So, first i would like to excuse myself for my poor english. I am a
french guy, and i know there is many grammatical abuse in my mail, and i
know how it is "eye hurting" for english people to read me.

Regards,

and thank to everyone who is trying to make our OpenBSD better and
better each days. May be one day, i will have sufficient technical level
to bring my own stone to the project (but for the moment, i read the man
pages ;) ).

Nolan