[PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

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[PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Raf Czlonka-2
Hi all,

According to the most[0] prominent[1] websites[2][3][4], there's no
apostrophe (') in Burns Night.

[0] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-leads-burns-night-celebrations-around-the-world
[1] https://www.scotland.org/events/burns-night
[2] http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/burns_night_running_order.shtml
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burns_supper
[4] http://www.robertburns.org/suppers/

Regards,

Raf

Index: usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk
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RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -p -r1.1 calendar.uk
--- usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk 14 Jan 2016 20:08:01 -0000 1.1
+++ usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk 12 Jan 2018 19:28:40 -0000
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
 
 01/01 New Year's Day
 01/02 Bank holiday in Scotland
-01/25 Burns' Night in Scotland
+01/25 Burns Night in Scotland
 02/14 Saint Valentine's Day
 03/01 Saint David's Day in Wales
 03/17 Saint Patrick's Day (also a bank holiday across Ireland)

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Jason McIntyre-2
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 07:38:47PM +0000, Raf Czlonka wrote:
evening.

it seems both are acceptable. i'm reluctant to change it without any
pressing reason to prefer one over the other.

but do check fortunes for some class...

        Burn's Hog Weighing Method:
                (1) Get a perfectly symmetrical plank and balance it across a
                    sawhorse.
                (2) Put the hog on one end of the plank.
                (3) Pile rocks on the other end until the plank is again
                    perfectly balanced.
                (4) Carefully guess the weight of the rocks.
                        -- Robert Burns

jmc

> Index: usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvs/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk,v
> retrieving revision 1.1
> diff -u -p -r1.1 calendar.uk
> --- usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk 14 Jan 2016 20:08:01 -0000 1.1
> +++ usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk 12 Jan 2018 19:28:40 -0000
> @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
>  
>  01/01 New Year's Day
>  01/02 Bank holiday in Scotland
> -01/25 Burns' Night in Scotland
> +01/25 Burns Night in Scotland
>  02/14 Saint Valentine's Day
>  03/01 Saint David's Day in Wales
>  03/17 Saint Patrick's Day (also a bank holiday across Ireland)

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Jason McIntyre-2
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:05:47PM +0000, Jason McIntyre wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 07:38:47PM +0000, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > According to the most[0] prominent[1] websites[2][3][4], there's no
> > apostrophe (') in Burns Night.
> >
> > [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-leads-burns-night-celebrations-around-the-world
> > [1] https://www.scotland.org/events/burns-night
> > [2] http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/burns_night_running_order.shtml
> > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burns_supper
> > [4] http://www.robertburns.org/suppers/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Raf
> >
>
> evening.
>
> it seems both are acceptable. i'm reluctant to change it without any
> pressing reason to prefer one over the other.
>
> but do check fortunes for some class...
>
> Burn's Hog Weighing Method:
> (1) Get a perfectly symmetrical plank and balance it across a
>    sawhorse.
> (2) Put the hog on one end of the plank.
> (3) Pile rocks on the other end until the plank is again
>    perfectly balanced.
> (4) Carefully guess the weight of the rocks.
> -- Robert Burns
>
> jmc
>

hilariously, i just realised the apostrophe in the quote above is in the
wrong place! maybe it should be "Burns Hog Weighing Method" ;)

jmc

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Raf Czlonka-2
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:11:37PM GMT, Jason McIntyre wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 08:05:47PM +0000, Jason McIntyre wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 07:38:47PM +0000, Raf Czlonka wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > According to the most[0] prominent[1] websites[2][3][4], there's no
> > > apostrophe (') in Burns Night.
> > >
> > > [0] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-government-leads-burns-night-celebrations-around-the-world
> > > [1] https://www.scotland.org/events/burns-night
> > > [2] http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/robertburns/burns_night_running_order.shtml
> > > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burns_supper
> > > [4] http://www.robertburns.org/suppers/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Raf
> > >
> >
> > evening.
> >
> > it seems both are acceptable. i'm reluctant to change it without any
> > pressing reason to prefer one over the other.
> >
> > but do check fortunes for some class...
> >
> > Burn's Hog Weighing Method:
> > (1) Get a perfectly symmetrical plank and balance it across a
> >    sawhorse.
> > (2) Put the hog on one end of the plank.
> > (3) Pile rocks on the other end until the plank is again
> >    perfectly balanced.
> > (4) Carefully guess the weight of the rocks.
> > -- Robert Burns
> >
> > jmc
> >
>
> hilariously, i just realised the apostrophe in the quote above is in the
> wrong place! maybe it should be "Burns Hog Weighing Method" ;)
>
> jmc
>

That's the *first* thing I've notied ;^)

Raf

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Mike Burns
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On 2018-01-12 20.11.37 +0000, Jason McIntyre wrote:
> > Burn's Hog Weighing Method:
>
> hilariously, i just realised the apostrophe in the quote above is in the
> wrong place! maybe it should be "Burns Hog Weighing Method" ;)

The apostrophe should come after the s in this case.

--
Mike Burns

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Andras Farkas
In reply to this post by Jason McIntyre-2
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Jason McIntyre <[hidden email]> wrote:
> hilariously, i just realised the apostrophe in the quote above is in the
> wrong place! maybe it should be "Burns Hog Weighing Method" ;)
I'd also like to note that while some people would do:
Burns' Hog Weighing Method
The following is also considered valid and correct:
Burns's Hog Weighing Method
In fact, the second method, using Burns's, is the first thing
mentioned in the first chapter of The Elements of Style by William
Strunk Jr. and E.B. White
Coincidentally, one of the three examples given is verbatim:
Burns's poems

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Re: [PATCH] usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.uk - Burns' Night -> Burns Night

Raf Czlonka-2
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 01:17:35AM GMT, Andras Farkas wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Jason McIntyre <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > hilariously, i just realised the apostrophe in the quote above is in the
> > wrong place! maybe it should be "Burns Hog Weighing Method" ;)
> I'd also like to note that while some people would do:
> Burns' Hog Weighing Method
> The following is also considered valid and correct:
> Burns's Hog Weighing Method
> In fact, the second method, using Burns's, is the first thing
> mentioned in the first chapter of The Elements of Style by William
> Strunk Jr. and E.B. White
> Coincidentally, one of the three examples given is verbatim:
> Burns's poems
>

Hi all,

That is also the way I've been taught - namely, "'s" after personal
names ending in "s"[0], i.e.:

- Charles's
- Dickens's
- Thomas's

unless the name is already plural[1], i.e.:

- Roosevelts'
- Kennedys'

Based on the above rule, I would not have used "Burns'" purely because
it is not plural.

Now, these are obviously the "rules"... but there's a plethora of
exceptions and I don't claim to know all of them.

There's also the common usage, which might not even be grammatically
correct but is so predominant that it has become part of the English
language.

In terms of "Burns Night" I simply provided several high-profile
websites using the phrase without the apostrophe.

When it comes to the "Hog Weighing Method", personally, I would have
used "Burns's" but there's obviously the historical/common usage.

[0] https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/punctuation/apostrophe 
[1] http://qcpages.qc.cuny.edu/writing/history/editing/errors.html#apostrophes

Cheers,

Raf