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Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Clint Pachl
I've been using an IBM Thinkpad T22 (P3 900MHz) laptop for quite some
time and I want to upgrade. I am looking for some expert advice on what
to upgrade to in the Thinkpad T-Series.

Two main considerations:

1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used
i386, should I think about amd64?

2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to stay
away from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is the
integrated Intel 965GM.

Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD on
the T-Series? What would you guys choose and why?

Thanks,

Clint

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Neal Hogan
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been using an IBM Thinkpad T22 (P3 900MHz) laptop for quite some time
> and I want to upgrade. I am looking for some expert advice on what to
> upgrade to in the Thinkpad T-Series.
>
> Two main considerations:
>
> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used i386,
> should I think about amd64?
>
> 2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to stay away
> from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is the integrated
> Intel 965GM.
>
> Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD on the
> T-Series?

This is probably obvious and it doesn't address your "main
considerations," but wifi card support may be an issue. I have an
atheros card in my T400 that is not yet supported (although, there has
been some chatter on this list about someone working on it).

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Ted Unangst-2
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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used i386,
> should I think about amd64?

Are you sure about that? I didn't think they made any T60s with plain
Core chips, though I could be wrong.  My T60 has a Core 2, anyway.
Regardless of whether you want 64-bit or not, the Core 2 performance
is considerably better.

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Clint Pachl
Ted Unangst wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Clint Pachl<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>    
>> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used i386,
>> should I think about amd64?
>>      
> Are you sure about that? I didn't think they made any T60s with plain
> Core chips, though I could be wrong.  My T60 has a Core 2, anyway.
> Regardless of whether you want 64-bit or not, the Core 2 performance
> is considerably better.
>    

Actually, the T60 comes with 32-bit (T2xxx) or 64-bit (T[57]xxx)
processors:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62487

Core Duo T2500 processor: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27236

I've seen T60 with Core or Core 2 selling here locally on craigslist. I
figured, if I go with a 64-bit Core 2, I would just opt for the T61 with
the slightly faster bus and supposedly lower acoustics. Plus they are
selling for the same price.

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Clint Pachl
In reply to this post by Neal Hogan
Neal Hogan wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Clint Pachl<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>    
>> I've been using an IBM Thinkpad T22 (P3 900MHz) laptop for quite some time
>> and I want to upgrade. I am looking for some expert advice on what to
>> upgrade to in the Thinkpad T-Series.
>>
>> Two main considerations:
>>
>> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used i386,
>> should I think about amd64?
>>
>> 2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to stay away
>> from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is the integrated
>> Intel 965GM.
>>
>> Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD on the
>> T-Series?
>>      
> This is probably obvious and it doesn't address your "main
> considerations," but wifi card support may be an issue. I have an
> atheros card in my T400 that is not yet supported (although, there has
> been some chatter on this list about someone working on it).
>    

I'm not too concerned about wifi as this thing will mostly be plugged
into a docking station. If I have to, I'll just stick a ral or ath
pccard in it.

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Luca Corti-4
In reply to this post by Clint Pachl
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 19:25 -0700, Clint Pachl wrote:
> I've seen T60 with Core or Core 2 selling here locally on craigslist. I
> figured, if I go with a 64-bit Core 2, I would just opt for the T61 with
> the slightly faster bus and supposedly lower acoustics. Plus they are
> selling for the same price.


Dmesg from my T60 (T7200) below.

No big issues, but the fan is in fact a bit loud on OpenBSD, even when
running apmd -C. It could even suspend and resume correctly recently,
then stopped working but I don't mind since I don't use s/r.

Not all T60 are born equal though, so be sure to check the specs for
your particular model (this is a 2007E79).

I picked this up because of the nice size (14 in screen) and good
resolution (1440x900). It has an ATI x1400, so you get accelerated X.
Intel 82573L gigabit ethernet (em) and Intel 802.11g (wpi) work just
fine.

Unfortunately the chipset is limited to 3GB RAM. I have not tested
bluetooth nor the modem.The fingerprint reader does not attach to any
driver.

After 4 years it is still doing its job, so I can recommend it.


OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #591: Tue Oct 19 11:45:02 MDT 2010
    [hidden email]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 3218931712 (3069MB)
avail mem = 3119386624 (2974MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (68 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version "79ETE6WW (2.26 )" date 04/01/2010
bios0: LENOVO 2007E79
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT TCPA APIC MCFG HPET SLIC BOOT SSDT
SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) LURT(S3) DURT(S3) EXP0(S4)
EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) EXP3(S4) PCI1(S4) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB7(S3)
HDEF(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz, 1995.31 MHz
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,NXE,LONG
cpu0: 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: apic clock running at 166MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz, 1995.00 MHz
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,NXE,LONG
cpu1: 4MB 64b/line 16-way L2 cache
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (AGP_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP0)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (EXP1)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (EXP2)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 12 (EXP3)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 21 (PCI1)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpipwrres0 at acpi0: PUBS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 127 degC
acpitz1 at acpi0: critical temperature 99 degC
acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID_
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model "42T4504" serial 10643 type LION oem
"SANYO"
acpibat1 at acpi0: BAT1 not present
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online
acpithinkpad0 at acpi0
acpidock0 at acpi0: GDCK not docked (0)
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 1995 MHz: speeds: 2000, 1667, 1333, 1000 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel 82945GM Host" rev 0x03
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Intel 82945GM PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int
16 (irq 11)
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "ATI Radeon Mobility X1400" rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
radeondrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 11)
drm0 at radeondrm0
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801GB HD Audio" rev 0x02:
apic 1 int 17 (irq 11)
azalia0: codecs: Analog Devices AD1981HD, Conexant/0x2bfa, using Analog
Devices AD1981HD
audio0 at azalia0
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
20 (irq 11)
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
em0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/1000MT (82573L)" rev 0x00: apic
1 int 16 (irq 11), address 00:15:58:83:a5:0e
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
21 (irq 11)
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
wpi0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" rev 0x02:
apic 1 int 17 (irq 11), MoW1, address 00:1b:77:02:dc:c5
ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
22 (irq 11)
pci4 at ppb3 bus 4
ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 82801GB PCIE" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
23 (irq 11)
pci5 at ppb4 bus 12
uhci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
16 (irq 11)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
17 (irq 11)
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
18 (irq 11)
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 3 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
19 (irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801GB USB" rev 0x02: apic 1 int
19 (irq 11)
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xe2
pci6 at ppb5 bus 21
cbb0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "TI PCI1510 CardBus" rev 0x00: apic 1 int
16 (irq 11)
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 22 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel 82801GBM LPC" rev 0x02
pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 "Intel 82801GB IDE" rev 0x02: DMA,
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to
compatibility
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <HL-DT-ST, DVDRAM GSA-4083N, 1.08> ATAPI
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled)
ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 82801GBM AHCI" rev 0x02: apic 1
int 16 (irq 11), AHCI 1.1
scsibus1 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: <ATA, HITACHI HTS54161, SBDI> SCSI3
0/direct fixed
sd0: 114473MB, 512 bytes/sec, 234441648 sec total
ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 82801GB SMBus" rev 0x02: apic 1
int 23 (irq 11)
iic0 at ichiic0
usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb4 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0
uhub4 at usb4 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
spkr0 at pcppi0
aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support
ubt0 at uhub4 port 1 "Broadcom Corp BCM2045B" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2
ugen0 at uhub4 port 2 "STMicroelectronics Biometric Coprocessor" rev
1.00/0.01 addr 3
vscsi0 at root
scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Tomas Bodzar-4
In reply to this post by Clint Pachl
Was using T61s and worked like a charm

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been using an IBM Thinkpad T22 (P3 900MHz) laptop for quite some time
> and I want to upgrade. I am looking for some expert advice on what to
> upgrade to in the Thinkpad T-Series.
>
> Two main considerations:
>
> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used i386,
> should I think about amd64?
>
> 2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to stay away
> from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is the integrated
> Intel 965GM.
>
> Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD on the
> T-Series? What would you guys choose and why?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Clint

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Henning Brauer
In reply to this post by Clint Pachl
* Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> [2010-10-23 03:11]:
> I've been using an IBM Thinkpad T22 (P3 900MHz) laptop for quite
> some time and I want to upgrade. I am looking for some expert advice
> on what to upgrade to in the Thinkpad T-Series.
>
> Two main considerations:
>
> 1. Core Duo 32-bit (T60) or Core 2 Duo 64-bit (T61)? I've only used
> i386, should I think about amd64?

shouldn't make a difference. personally, I run i386 anyway.

> 2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to
> stay away from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is
> the integrated Intel 965GM.
>
> Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD
> on the T-Series? What would you guys choose and why?

T61. why?

LVDS connected 1400x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 287mm x 215mm

these are a bit hard to find tho. but I really don't see the point in
an XGA 14" display (XGA is for 12" :)), and I hate all that widescreen
shit. 14.1" 1400x1050 is awesome.

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Henning Brauer
In reply to this post by Luca Corti-4
* Luca Corti <[hidden email]> [2010-10-23 05:19]:
> No big issues, but the fan is in fact a bit loud on OpenBSD, even when
> running apmd -C. It could even suspend and resume correctly recently,

the T61 is completely silent btw, and suspend & resume work just fine.

the wpi is crap (if anyone wants to do me a favor: send me something
that works reliably. the wpi in the X61s is the same shit, btw). loses
connectivity regularily and needs an down & up dance.

OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #9: Mon Oct 18 14:52:06 CEST 2010
    [hidden email]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 2.20 GHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
real mem  = 3194245120 (3046MB)
avail mem = 3131973632 (2986MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 05/11/09, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfdc60, SMBIOS rev. 2.4 @ 0xe0010 (73 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version "7LETC6WW (2.26 )" date 05/11/2009
bios0: LENOVO 8896W58
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT TCPA APIC MCFG HPET SLIC BOOT ASF! SSDT SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) LURT(S3) DURT(S3) IGBE(S4) EXP0(S4) EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4) EXP3(S4) EXP4(S4) PCI1(S4) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) EHC0(S3) EHC1(S3) HDEF(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee00000: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) 2.20 GHz
cpu1: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (AGP_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP0)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (EXP1)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 4 (EXP2)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP3)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 13 (EXP4)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus 21 (PCI1)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C2, C1, PSS
acpipwrres0 at acpi0: PUBS
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature 127 degC
acpitz1 at acpi0: critical temperature 100 degC
acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID_
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model "42T4511" serial 10562 type LION oem "SANYO"
acpibat1 at acpi0: BAT1 not present
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online
acpithinkpad0 at acpi0
acpidock0 at acpi0: GDCK not docked (0)
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0x10000! 0xd0000/0x1000 0xd1000/0x1000 0xe0000/0x10000!
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2195 MHz: speeds: 2201, 2200, 1600, 1200, 800 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel GM965 Host" rev 0x0c
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel GM965 Video" rev 0x0c
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xe0000000, size 0x10000000
inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
drm0 at inteldrm0
"Intel GM965 Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
em0 at pci0 dev 25 function 0 "Intel ICH8 IGP M AMT" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 (irq 11), address 00:1c:25:12:ed:b8
uhci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 (irq 11)
uhci1 at pci0 dev 26 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21 (irq 11)
ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 22 (irq 11)
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 82801H HD Audio" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 17 (irq 11)
azalia0: codecs: Analog Devices AD1984, Conexant/0x2bfa, using Analog Devices AD1984
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 (irq 11)
pci1 at ppb0 bus 2
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 1 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 21 (irq 11)
pci2 at ppb1 bus 3
wpi0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG" rev 0x02: apic 1 int 17 (irq 11), MoW2, address 00:1c:bf:03:6d:25
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 2 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 22 (irq 11)
pci3 at ppb2 bus 4
ppb3 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 23 (irq 11)
pci4 at ppb3 bus 5
ppb4 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 "Intel 82801H PCIE" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 20 (irq 11)
pci5 at ppb4 bus 13
uhci2 at pci0 dev 29 function 0 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
uhci3 at pci0 dev 29 function 1 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 17 (irq 11)
uhci4 at pci0 dev 29 function 2 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 18 (irq 11)
ehci1 at pci0 dev 29 function 7 "Intel 82801H USB" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 19 (irq 11)
usb1 at ehci1: USB revision 2.0
uhub1 at usb1 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
ppb5 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 "Intel 82801BAM Hub-to-PCI" rev 0xf3
pci6 at ppb5 bus 21
cbb0 at pci6 dev 0 function 0 "Ricoh 5C476 CardBus" rev 0xb6: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 22 device 0 cacheline 0x8, lattimer 0xb0
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 "Intel 82801HEM LPC" rev 0x03
pciide0 at pci0 dev 31 function 1 "Intel 82801HBM IDE" rev 0x03: DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <MATSHITA, DVD/CDRW UJDA775, CB03> ATAPI 5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled)
ahci0 at pci0 dev 31 function 2 "Intel 82801HBM AHCI" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10), AHCI 1.1
scsibus1 at ahci0: 32 targets
sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0: <ATA, GJ0120CACZT, HPG1> SCSI3 0/direct fixed
sd0: 114473MB, 512 bytes/sec, 234441648 sec total
ichiic0 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 "Intel 82801H SMBus" rev 0x03: apic 1 int 23 (irq 11)
iic0 at ichiic0
usb2 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub2 at usb2 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb3 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub3 at usb3 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb4 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0
uhub4 at usb4 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb5 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0
uhub5 at usb5 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
usb6 at uhci4: USB revision 1.0
uhub6 at usb6 "Intel UHCI root hub" rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
spkr0 at pcppi0
aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support
ubt0 at uhub2 port 1 "Broadcom Corp BCM2045B" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 2
ugen0 at uhub2 port 2 "STMicroelectronics Biometric Coprocessor" rev 1.00/0.01 addr 3
vscsi0 at root
scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets
softraid0 at root
root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Kevin Chadwick-2
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:56:26 +0200
Henning Brauer <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I hate all that widescreen
> shit. 14.1" 1400x1050 is awesome.

Hear, Hear. I'm not alone in the quest that gets harder every day.

I've seen a "revolutionary" panasonic tv advert recently that reckons
they're tv is "cinema proportion" at 21:9. Rediculous, I've never seen a
cinema that shape and wouldn't go if there was one. The local 3d Imax
is almost square and it's much better!!.

I'm not sure if the problem is those stupid bullshit papers with the
"finger test" that reckon your eyes work in widescreen, EVEN THOUGH THE
PUPILS ARE ROUND AND FOCUS ON A SINGLE POINT or film makers wanting
people to have a worse experience at home and so pay to go to the
cinema, what are those black lines on dvds for anyway????.

IMHO, if it wasn't a challenge or more expensive to make screens round
then they would have stayed that way and then we wouldn't have all this
rubbish.

Kc

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Luca Corti-4
In reply to this post by Henning Brauer
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 15:04 +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:
> the wpi is crap (if anyone wants to do me a favor: send me something
> that works reliably. the wpi in the X61s is the same shit, btw). loses
> connectivity regularily and needs an down & up dance.

That used to be the case, but with current lately my wpi is not losing
connectivity anymore.

ciao

Luca

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Martin Schröder
In reply to this post by Kevin Chadwick-2
2010/10/23 Kevin Chadwick <[hidden email]>:
> I've seen a "revolutionary" panasonic tv advert recently that reckons
> they're tv is "cinema proportion" at 21:9. Rediculous, I've never seen a
> cinema that shape and wouldn't go if there was one. The local 3d Imax
> is almost square and it's much better!!.

That "almost square" screen has an aspect ratio of 1.44:1. Please
don't try to view 2001 on such a screen. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Filmaspectratios_svg.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)#Previous_and_presently_used_aspect_ratios

Best
   Martin

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Paolo Aglialoro
Just a small hint.... after the 60 series all thinkpads rock... but I
wouldn't go to T series unless you'll be moving quite seldom. My advice is a
whooping X61, ultraportable yet powerful and really silent.

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Henning Brauer
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* Luca Corti <[hidden email]> [2010-10-23 16:41]:
> On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 15:04 +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:
> > the wpi is crap (if anyone wants to do me a favor: send me something
> > that works reliably. the wpi in the X61s is the same shit, btw). loses
> > connectivity regularily and needs an down & up dance.
> That used to be the case, but with current lately my wpi is not losing
> connectivity anymore.

you have 3 free guesses on what i run

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Henning Brauer
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* Paolo Aglialoro <[hidden email]> [2010-10-23 18:38]:
> Just a small hint.... after the 60 series all thinkpads rock... but I
> wouldn't go to T series unless you'll be moving quite seldom. My advice is a
> whooping X61, ultraportable yet powerful and really silent.

the 4:3 14" T61 is still pretty portable IMHO.
the widescreen 15.4" not at all good for that.
haven't had my fingers on the other models, would expect the
widescreen 14.1" one to be acceptable still and the other 15" one not.

but indeed - I travel with a X61s (and another X40 if I take two).

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Luca Corti-4
In reply to this post by Henning Brauer
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 19:47 +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:
> > That used to be the case, but with current lately my wpi is not losing
> > connectivity anymore.
> you have 3 free guesses on what i run

Probably -current and wpi.

What I still get are occasional kernel asserts at boot at wpi firmware
load and I have to rerun sh /etc/netstart wpi0 to make it work.

ciao

Luca

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Clint Pachl
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Henning Brauer wrote:
> intagp0 at vga1
> agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xe0000000, size 0x10000000
> inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
> drm0 at inteldrm0
> "Intel GM965 Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
>    

Does this mean you don't get hardware graphics acceleration?

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Marco Peereboom
It means you get hardware acceleration :)

Intel video driver is probably the best supported on X.

On Oct 24, 2010, at 15:30, Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Henning Brauer wrote:
>> intagp0 at vga1
>> agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xe0000000, size 0x10000000
>> inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
>> drm0 at inteldrm0
>> "Intel GM965 Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
>>  
>
> Does this mean you don't get hardware graphics acceleration?

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Henning Brauer
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* Clint Pachl <[hidden email]> [2010-10-24 22:33]:
> Henning Brauer wrote:
> >intagp0 at vga1
> >agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xe0000000, size 0x10000000
> >inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)
> >drm0 at inteldrm0
> >"Intel GM965 Video" rev 0x0c at pci0 dev 2 function 1 not configured
>
> Does this mean you don't get hardware graphics acceleration?

> >inteldrm0 at vga1: apic 1 int 16 (irq 10)

that is pretty clear, isn't it?

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Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

Clint Pachl
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Henning Brauer wrote:
>> 2. I would like graphics hardware acceleration. I know I need to
>> >  stay away from nVidia. The T60 comes with ATI Radeon and the T61 is
>> >  the integrated Intel 965GM.
>> >
>> >  Is there anything else I need to be concerned with regarding OpenBSD
>> >  on the T-Series? What would you guys choose and why?
>>      
> T61. why?
>    

It's a good step up from my T22, which I've been using for about 5
years. I've always been happy with Thinkpads. I got the T22 when it was
about 3 years old for about 250USD. Now I'm back in the market because
the T22 is getting a little slow. The T6[01] are in the 250USD range and
are about 3 years old now, so it's perfect for me running OpenBSD. I
never spend more than 400 for a system.

> LVDS connected 1400x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 287mm x 215mm
>
> these are a bit hard to find tho. but I really don't see the point in
> an XGA 14" display (XGA is for 12" :)), and I hate all that widescreen
> shit. 14.1" 1400x1050 is awesome.
>    

I love all the wide screen shit! I decided to buy a T61 with Intel
graphics GM965. It has the 15.4" WSXGA+ (1680x1050). I also got the
docking station with a DVI out. I'm not sure if it will run my 24" WUXGA
monitor at it's native 1920x1200 resolution though.

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