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Fwd: ARM64:s finally on the market, and flooding it. OpenBSD support?

tinkr
(Martin Schröder directed me here. Just wanted to kindly humbly get a
general idea as I not saw any discussion of ARM64 anywhere I read, until
now. Thanks a lot.)


The market is finally being flooded with ARM64:s. And some of them are
inexpensive.

I guess AllWinner A64/H64 will be the most ubiquitous one as the chip
is/soon will be something like 5 USD.

Boards should be on the market for 15 USD this year I think. If you need
SATA or PCIe the same figure is something like 150 USD. See a listing
below.


What about running OpenBSD on these, do you have any idea when this
should be possible?

Thanks,
Tinker


  * I suppose the AllWinner A64 (and the AllWinner H64 which is
essentially the
    same chip) will be the very most popular.

    One board is https://www.pine64.org/ (15 USD for 512MB variant, 30
USD for
    2GB variant), released fairly soon. Another upcoming is "Nobel64".

    1x gigabit ethernet. No SATA. USB 2. No PCIe.

    (Correction: 1x 100mbit on the cheapest variant.)

    http://linux-sunxi.org/A64 
http://files.pine64.org/doc/datasheet/pine64/A64_Datasheet_V1.1.pdf

  * Amlogic S905 is one that's actually on the market already. The Odroid
C2 (40
    USD) deploys it,
   
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438 
.
    Not sure how popular that one will be in the longer term though.

    1x gigabit ethernet. No SATA. USB 2. No PCIe.

    http://dn.odroid.com/S905/DataSheet/S905_Public_Datasheet_V1.1.4.pdf

  * The Snapdragon 600 (and 410) is on the market also, here's a board:
   
http://www.inforcecomputing.com/products/single-board-computers-sbc/qualcomm-snapdragon-600-inforce-6410plus-sbc
    , 150 USD.

    SATA. USB 2. PCIe. Ethernet.. by PCIe?

   
https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/sd600/snapdragon-600-datasheet.pdf

  * Some more are Rockchip RK3368, Kirin 620, Marvell IAP140, Actions
Semiconductor Actions
    S900, Samsung S5P6818.

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Re: Fwd: ARM64:s finally on the market, and flooding it. OpenBSD support?

Patrick Wildt-3
Easy question, easy answer: When it's ready!  And that depends on
how many people are actively working on it.  And that depends on,
well, basically on how many people are interested in ARM and have
enough spare time to work on it.  That number isn't quite high.

There's plenty of hardware, but it's all crap.  I say that without
actually knowing all hardware.  But I know, because my limited
experience told me it's the same as in the 32-bit ecosystem.

The raspberryPi 3 would be the first 64-bit platform we might support,
running a 32-bit kernel.  One could do the same for other harware, but
most of them are China crapware and as soon as you wrote the first
driver there will be a next generation of that chip and the old one
is garbage.

So far every Allwinner hardware feels the same.  I have a PineA64.  I
ran it once with linux and then packed it back into the box.  I did the
same with the Qualcomm 410c, which seems a bit better though.  I just
found out I can run u-boot on it (instead of fastboot), which is a lot
better than fastboot alone.

What we need is stable hardware that has proper documentation and is
properly upstreamed.  That's a combination that isn't often found in
the ARM ecosystem.  Especially the PineA64 was completely rushed.

I think the Dragonboard might actually be helpful to bootstrap OpenBSD
on ARM64, but otherwise it's not really useful.  The rPi3 can do that,
too.  I have my eyes on bigger, but more expensive, hardware.

https://www.solid-run.com/marvell-armada-family/armada-8040-community-board/
http://b2b.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5864
http://b2b.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5928
http://softiron.co.uk/products/

At least those have chips that are supposed to be used in servers and
not tablets.

Patrick

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 03:16:01PM +0300, Tinker wrote:

> (Martin Schröder directed me here. Just wanted to kindly humbly get a
> general idea as I not saw any discussion of ARM64 anywhere I read, until
> now. Thanks a lot.)
>
>
> The market is finally being flooded with ARM64:s. And some of them are
> inexpensive.
>
> I guess AllWinner A64/H64 will be the most ubiquitous one as the chip
> is/soon will be something like 5 USD.
>
> Boards should be on the market for 15 USD this year I think. If you need
> SATA or PCIe the same figure is something like 150 USD. See a listing below.
>
>
> What about running OpenBSD on these, do you have any idea when this should
> be possible?
>
> Thanks,
> Tinker
>
>
>  * I suppose the AllWinner A64 (and the AllWinner H64 which is essentially
> the
>    same chip) will be the very most popular.
>
>    One board is https://www.pine64.org/ (15 USD for 512MB variant, 30 USD
> for
>    2GB variant), released fairly soon. Another upcoming is "Nobel64".
>
>    1x gigabit ethernet. No SATA. USB 2. No PCIe.
>
>    (Correction: 1x 100mbit on the cheapest variant.)
>
>    http://linux-sunxi.org/A64
> http://files.pine64.org/doc/datasheet/pine64/A64_Datasheet_V1.1.pdf
>
>  * Amlogic S905 is one that's actually on the market already. The Odroid C2
> (40
>    USD) deploys it,
>     http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438
> .
>    Not sure how popular that one will be in the longer term though.
>
>    1x gigabit ethernet. No SATA. USB 2. No PCIe.
>
>    http://dn.odroid.com/S905/DataSheet/S905_Public_Datasheet_V1.1.4.pdf
>
>  * The Snapdragon 600 (and 410) is on the market also, here's a board:
> http://www.inforcecomputing.com/products/single-board-computers-sbc/qualcomm-snapdragon-600-inforce-6410plus-sbc
>    , 150 USD.
>
>    SATA. USB 2. PCIe. Ethernet.. by PCIe?
>
> https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/sd600/snapdragon-600-datasheet.pdf
>
>  * Some more are Rockchip RK3368, Kirin 620, Marvell IAP140, Actions
> Semiconductor Actions
>    S900, Samsung S5P6818.
>